Do you find American politics offensive?

Ingrid

That's exactly what I think when other countries start on Russia.

waj

I know most of you do, at least you should. You should love your country, after all it's your family, loved ones and friends that are important.

Pretty

you forget that we speak not on the matter of people living in this or that country, but policy its government runs....

waj

Pretty, basicaly yes, but you said above "It's the persons (individuals) that build any system..."

You see the problem is that when one speaks of his/her own people, he's referring to knowlege and expieriences of the people he's surrounded by, the 'people'. When one speaks of other countries he uses what's available for knowledge, namely the newspaper or what can be worse the internet.

Pretty

as far as politics is concerned, I never stick to Internet or Mass Media opinion. I draw my conclusions after having read a lot of serious books on this matter...

I can't refer government of a country to the people that inhabit it. these are things that tend to be opposite....

Cartman

And this is quite understandable hatred I have to say. When somebody comes to your home and destroys it you are not going to love this person. Slavery of course had to be modified in due course, but abolishing it so rapidly and thoughtlessly just brought more problems than it solved. And after all slavery was just an excuse for northern intriguers to start the war between states - the reasons were way deeper than that.

waj

Hindsight is always much clearer than foresight, there have been a great number of apologists that have tried and even to this day try to find excuses for one reason or another.

Understandably the Civil War is one of the most controversial periods in American history, but the truth of the matter is that the "deeper reasons" all were the result of a long series of events that can be tied directly or indirectly to slavery and human rights.

Cartman

Quid est veritas?

I am not quite sure that the expression "human rights" existed at that time.

waj

The truth is obvious, if your a student of American History.

It's called "The Emancipation Proclamation"

Dansker

waj,
The vietnam war, for example, was just a stupid waste of american and vietnamese lifes, nothing else. If you think that you can have your own vision point - why can't you allow other countries to have one?
The simplicity of this problem is obvious - many of American presidents (especially from after secon world war period and until now) have made catastrofficaly many errors. Thats one of the reasons of dollars fall. But... when, for example, Russia has it's own problems, your president comes, and talks about 'Russian democracy is not enough' (or something of that kind, I can't exactly remember it up to now) can you call it a fair policy?

Freyjas Einheri

Why do you use Past Indefinite in your message as if American policy ceased to exist? Poor knowledge of English or an early epitaph to American politics?

unstman

Everybody seems to forget......not intentionally being anti-yank lol.......the biggest aggressor over the past 40 - 50 years has been America.......and its over-powering obsession to dominate and thrust its ideology onto other countries around the world. Lets not forget, America has around 60% of the arms dealing market and development......and has, as a result of this greed of money, installed dictators of all sorts to control and exploit those countries resources etc etc. Since 1960, America has been involved, implicated and responsible for over 20,000,000 deaths of civilians.....but there is no mention of the atrocities this country has committed.......oh, yes, the USA is our friend and ally.

When it comes to other countries, like the middle-east, showing its dislike for US Foreign Policy, it is.........unfortunately.... understandable to a degree why this is so. Double-standards and hypocracy are the main objectives to the political policies of the US, and the west.......to a degree.

After 9/11, where 3,000 or so people were killed, Bush and his war mongering hawks have used this as an excuse to thrust these foreign policies even further......... not for moral, civilised reasons but for commercial greed and control. In the game of politics, the loss of 3,000 of your own civilians is not even a drop in the ocean.......think on it

unstman

In todays international political climate, it is not surprising to see there is much xenophobia, yank-bashing against the States. The question one must ask, why is this so? Since the ending of the so-called ' cold war ', in 1989, America, has dominated, or try to, the political arena, but moreover, since 9/11, it has been highlighted and brought to the worlds attention the USA Foreign Economic Policies. Ever since the creation of an Israeli State (1947), which the british were forced to comply with, America, has used foreign policy to thrust its ideology forward. In many cases, although not directly involved, via war and arms trading. I am not anti-yank, put bluntly, but one certainly has to question a country which professes to preach liberty, freedom and justice for all, but at the same time be the perpetrators of war and the stripping off such ideals.

Dansker

Freyjas Einheri,
Sorry, it can happen if you think in Danish and write message at the same time.

Mr.Goodkat

Alas. Some people are really stupid and that's too sad but some else - and you're a good proof for that - are really dumb-cunted and I'm not entirely sure what's worse...
... you guys in no way would be surprised to know that even now, after well 8 years, it's the same old tune still bothering the human minds, and not quite a surprise for me to see that the only intelligible voice's coming from over Atlantic, from a countryman (a high five to SD/CA) damned if I know how dropped in at this thread.

But why the hell be ashamed and (what absolute nonsense is) make excuses for the obvious? I juz can't geddit. We know how bizarrely brave people can be when everything's booming and they're happy and upbeat and how pathetic they are in times of need. We've seen it all in 1939-1945 and learned that lesson too well. So as before if some of'em do really think of the US foreign policy as of something hostile and potentially hazardous - don't make'em discomfort themselves thinking twice and let'em keep on doing this way for nobody cares, really.

I always remember the old Lord Palmerston once said 'We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow'. Anyway, it applied to 'mother England' but it kinda suits the hysteria round the US. We're doing what we're doing cuz we can do it and no shitloadz of moaning gonna change a thing.
Juz live with it!

's too bad there ain't any English version for that but it's no prob I assume;

Vini von Puch

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